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Craig Holden's avatar

Great evaluation.

I tried to take a moderate position to push back against an extreme right position stated online. I was basically blamed and denigrated for my efforts. I made no accusations or judgements, just a position of what I thought was commen sense.

Didnt even receive an acknowledgement of the possibility of a different point of view.

Finding commen ground is going to be real tough.

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Steve Crumbaugh's avatar

I have seen it from both sides. Signs stolen / defaced / destroyed. Name calling and impugning the character, intellectual capacity, and lineage of people simply because they have different political or religious beliefs. Denigrating people because they voted for a different candidate. Even unprovoked violence, arson, murder, assassination.

I want to believe that this is a passing phase or so new it is maybe not part of our collective psyche. It may be accelerating, but it was always there. The urge to dehumanize opponents, to misrepresent viewpoints with which we disagree, to argue out of ignorance or from "facts" we accepted without checking (or without even thinking about them) - are all common as grass. We don't teach people to recognize and devalue or ignore logical fallacies such as ad hominem attacks, strawmen, appeals to (questionable) authority, or even internally inconsistent arguments.

You and I may disagree, but that does not prevent us from being civil, even respecting one another. And simple integrity demands that I respect your property rights (whether it's a sign, or a Tesla, or your home), security rights (to not be assaulted for differing beliefs), speech rights (I am not compelled to listen, but I am not permitted to silence those with whom I disagree simply because I vehemently disagree or dislike them). A civil society demands we treat each other with civility. One must be careful with babies and bathwater.

But here's the rub. I may be a better debater than you - or you than me. Winning an argument may have more to do with the skill of the people arguing than the validity of their beliefs. The conversation needs to be more thoughtful, longer, and more in depth than a single five minute encounter. We need conversation where we begin to understand one another, even if we still disagree. The kind of conversations over time that allow the weaker debater, the slower, more deliberate thinker to level the playing field and compete on the merit of ideas, even against someone more articulate with well structured logic and apt turns of phrase.

I suppose what I am asking for is that people have conversations, discussions, or debates, where the object is to understand each other rather than to beat the other into submission with a torrent of abuse or even unassailable argument. To carefully and respectfully delineate the lines of agreement and disagreement. To see the other as a human who through their whole life is seeking to understand and negotiate life, while hopefully becoming some better version of themself.

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